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Since Plesk was taken over by a financial investor user requirements and user needs, even open standards are obsolete.
New target is the reselling of proprietary overpriced third-party ****. Looks like a squeez out process until all price rises and user disregardment pays back and Plesk is a name from the past.
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@anonymous "I can understand that Plesk only wants to add supported 3rd party software for this reason." I did't see neither this statement, nor any other statement from Plesk yet (after 1.5 years). The is a need for a free (maybe not perfect) standard solution; better not perfect than no protection. I think Plesk wants to sell 3rd party licenses which are more expensive than Plesk itself and didn't care about internet security by providing no default solution at all ... saying that, running servers with Plesk weakens safety of users and the Internet.
Sure, ClamAV is not enough: but ClamAV, a milter configuration, Spamassasin, rkhunter, firewall rules, regular updates, and maybe other hardening tools. I understand Plesk as a frontend for configuration Linux / Windows systems, to simplify administration. If you say that I can do it manually, for sure, why I should use Plesk then at all?An error occurred while saving the comment Thorsten
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"Integrating another anti-virus solution is an expensive undertaking, "
: Expensive undertaking means you sell less ridiculous expensive commercial third party antivirus licenses?
"... we’d like you to let us know which ClamAV features are missing in anti-viruses and services already available in Plesk."
: ClamAV IS missing... just add it as an option (a) install the related packages; (b) add the milter in Postfix. Level of Done: DONE
"This will help us properly evaluate and prioritize this request."
: Now, 1,5 years for evaluation, grooming/ planning, and prioritizing is more than enough... Conclusion?
Very BAD marketing...
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Wenn ich anfangen muss an der Kommandozeile das System zu konfigurieren, welchen Zweck hat dann gleich noch Plesk? Hier geht es um eine Unterstützung durch Plesk - und da diese ja wie beschrieben relativ trivial ist, sollte die Umsetzung ebenso trivial sein. Fakt ist aber: Plesk will Drittanbieter-Software verkaufen, die teuerer als die Plesk-Lizenz selbst ist und startet hier unsinnige Umfragen, ignoriert sie dann aber und schweigt sich aus. Dass nenne ich User Centric Design und Kundenzufriedenheit. Oder das Plesk-Team hat Plesk einfach falsch konfiguriert und bekommt die Antworten dieses Threads gar nicht mit... ;)
If I'm forced to use the command line, which use case fulfills Plesk? Do I need it anymore? This thread is about supporting a (open source) Linux system standard (ClamAV + the related postfix milter); its simple to configure, so the integration into Plesk should be trivial. And hey, Plesk asked us, we answered and now they ignore us). Maybe they are not able to read their own uservoice by a misconfiguration of their Plesk instance...
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The feature request was opened mid 2013. Four years later we have still two commercial antivirus extensions which are (more than) expensive in comparison to the plesk license itself... and in addition (to make it more expensive) its restricted to mail scanning and a max. of mailboxes.
As I understand plesk/onyx it is a management software for resellers etc. to simplify the administration of an existing server infrastructure using standard components. Standards on Linux are spamassasin, clamav,, amavis etc.
Security means hardening a server, avoid intrusion, integrity, availability, no viruses (in mails and files), rootkit detection.
So in the standard configuration plesk is neither using a) system standards which are widely adopted and supported, b) doesn't have any virus protection. ok you could install mentions packages for yourself ... but why i should use plesk anymore if the system is not fully supported by plesk?
conclusion: simply say we dont want to support free software, because we want to force you to pay for sub licensed third party software...
to sell a server solution which makes the net insecure by not supporting free available standards like outbound spam protection and virus scanners stands for itself. but dont use the word "secure" on your website anymore...
@anonym: Btw. search for Kaspersky and the terms espionage or spying...