Virtuozzo Linux 8 support
Since Centos is unfortunately no longer available in its original form, it would be good if appropriate alternatives were available as a host OS.
Here Virtuozzo Linux 8 is ideal because they have many years of experience in this environment and we know that the quality is right ...
The risk that VZLinux disappears from the screen is also lower than with the various newer RHEL clones which apeared lately.
Apart from that, VZLinux also offers migration paths from Centos 7 + 8 to VZLinux 8, which makes life much easier for many administrators ...
After a detailed analysis, we decided not to invest in support/test/fix/announce VzLinux8 compatibility. This decision was made based on extremally low usage for VzLinux7 for Plesk. Unfortunately, our plans are as follows.
Virtuozzo team might have their own plan to test/announce the scenario with Plesk product, it’s up to them.
please reconsider this! yes, lots of us are currently switching to almalinux because its the only one that is supported by plesk.
still I am not sure whether this is the right decision. shouldn't I be switching to rocky instead or oracle linux 8?
imho vzlinux8 is absolutely the most promising and thus should definitely supported.
of course vzlinux7 has not been used too much since there was centos. i would even say it was THE standard for using a red hat based distribution without paying for RHEL.
-> now we need support for stable OS's that are stable and will be supported for the whole lifespan of RHEL8!
Really need the support of VzLinux 8!
Very sad news that VzLinux8 isn't supported...this is for sure the wrong decision.
We used CentOS an all our servers, so VzLinux8 is mandatory.
We will consider switching to another software than Plesk.
Some years ago we had huge expenditures to switch all our Machines and Containers from Confixx to Plesk - virtualized through Virtuozzo. Back then undoubtedly a good decision because Plesk was terrific and brilliantly thought out.
Pleskians then waited for enough customers to come aboard and - out of the blue - changed plans and pricing. (felt like being blackmailed already). Subsequently more and more essential features and useful functions only available through paid extensions.
And now, as every hoster is already struggling what to do since Redhat messed things up with CentOS, Pleskians come along and show the middle finger to all customers (in particular those users who completely rely on Virtuozzo).
Regarding the outgoing amount of money, just for Plesk Licenses, ist's simply frustrating to see how we have been part of their growth from the beginning! It feels more and more like now we are taken on ******* by Plesk and have to eat literally every **** they bring upon us.
Any recommendations to kick out Plesk?
Patrick Neuner commented
I can't understand this decision either. Its binary compatible.The problem is your support, they don't help a bit, if the system isn't supported, even its proofen, that the error is not OS related...
And I also believe, the problem will come next year. Right now you don't "have" to switch right away, but that will change soon, and then lots of people will complain. I would understand if its a complete different Linux Distri. At least say, you support all binary compantible OS.... or are you soon a Redhat Company?
Andreas Schnederle-Wagner commented
For us, too, this is more than bad news.
Our entire hosting business is based on servers virtualized with Virtuozzo, on which we then offer our customers corresponding Plesk instances.
As already mentioned - Virtuozzo does not support AlmaLinux ...
Be that as it may ... both AlmaLinux and VZLinux are binary compatible to Red Hat Enterprise - in other words, it is NOT a technical decision not to support it ... as there is no additional effort in terms of testing / support. It's a purely management decision ... and that makes it even more bitter ...
And of course there hasn't been much demand for VZLinux or other RHEL alternatives so far because everyone has used the "defacto standard" Centos. Unfortunately, since the orientation of Centos has changed, it no longer works ...
In my opinion, unfortunately, a wrong decision that was made here ...
Jan Versteegen commented
Wow.... This is pretty bad news. I must say that I am simply shocked.
Our company is using Virtuozzo as well (and paying an hefty sum for it) and Virtuozzo does not support AlmaLinux. They recommend to use VzLinux 8 instead, however now it seems that Plesk is not (going) to support it.
So we are using two different products, however both are useless in this case (and for both our company is paying a lot of money). So no clue what to do now with this news. I personally think it's time to drop both completely and investigate more solid solutions, because this is getting nowhere.
Also, like others said, the product Plesk itself is getting worse by the day. Support is getting more "troublesome", prices are increased on a regular basis (though Plesk self offers big discounts to customers who buy a license directly from them), the interface is getting more and more advertisements everywhere and Plesk is pushing their SSL options and extensions to "our" customers through the interface. This was not the case back in the day. It seems that the investement company (Oakley Capital if I am not mistaken) who took over Plesk (along with various other companies) decides what happens and is really getting greedy...
Okay things are getting weird and someone is telling lies here.
Plesk replied (see above): We have plans to support Virtuozzo Linux 8.
I contacted Plesk support about issues with AlmaLinux (and Virtuozzo not supporting this yet) and I receive the following reply:
I've just receive an update from development team. Due to low demand for VZLinux 7 with Plesk they do not plan support for VZLinux 8 at the moment.
So I contacted Virtuozzo and they replied:
I share your frustration and can only add that we’re working to get Plesk support for VzLinux directly with the Plesk/WebPros R&D teams. I don’t have more details or ETA to share at this point.
So I forwarded that again to Plesk support and they replied this:
Plesk does not plan to support Virtuozzo Linux 8 at the moment and there is no discussion with Virtuozzo from our behalf.
So somebody is telling lies of sharing fake information... Anyways, Plesk is becoming one big (expensive) mess!!
Who is telling the truth and who is telling lies?
You are pay top USD/EUR for a product which can not be used with VzLinux 8. Sorry to say, but that's pathetic.
I do not understand why this feature suggestion does not attract more attention. I have upgraded a container from CentOS8 to VZLinux8 and everything works fine. Even package updates are installed smoothly. If just Plesk Obsidian wouldn't tell me it's not built to run in VZLinux 8 and can't be updated. I can't imagine why it should be easier for Plesk developers to support AlmaLinux while VZLinux8 is still "planned".
Well, time is ticking... My plan, so far, is to switch CentOS8 containers directly to VZLinux 8 but as every container is using Plesk, my schedule depends on Plesk "We have plans..."
Is this already added?